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Re: Chess Chat

Post by kenbo » Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:44 pm

It’s a hard game to show ur masculinity, especially when there’s a couple of queens on the board!

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Re: Chess Chat

Post by harry_rag » Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:48 pm

And bandying about French terms like en passant!

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Re: Chess Chat

Post by harry_rag » Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:49 pm

Current series (race to 10) score is 8.5 - 7.5 to Kenbo so still all to play for though he's favourite to take his second consecutive series.

Been mining some more stats, relating to opening moves for black and if/when we've castled.

I've made 7 different opening moves as black and only have a positive record with 2 of them (though sample size is obviously small).

Playing Knight to F6 (moving the King's Knight) has resulted in 4 wins, 2 defeats and 2 draws. I've played pawn to E6 (advancing the King's pawn 1 square) 5 times and won every game. I've not played it for over 40 games but might have to revisit it, though I can't see why it should be a particularly good move.

Kenbo has used 8 openings as black and also only has 2 with a positive record. C6 (moving Queen's Bishop pawn 1 square) saw a victory for him the only time it was used while his record with Knight to C6 (moving the Queen's Knight) is 3 wins, 2 defeats and a draw.

The worst moves for both of us are D5 and E5 (moving Queen or King pawn 2 squares). I'm 4-7 and a draw with the former and 2-4 with the latter and Kenbo is 5-8 with 2 draws and 4-7. It certainly looks like plonking a pawn in the middle of the board as black favours your opponent!

I'll let you digest those fascinating nuggets before I post about castling!

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Re: Chess Chat

Post by kenbo » Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:36 pm

I’ve read it. Will have to read it again to take it in. Let’s see the castling stats.

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Re: Chess Chat

Post by harry_rag » Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:50 pm

kenbo wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:36 pm
I’ve read it. Will have to read it again to take it in. Let’s see the castling stats.
:thumbs Bit easier to digest than the opening moves.

Not castling has a poor record, which won't be much of a surprise. In 18 games where I didn't do it my record is 6 wins, 10 defeats and 2 draws. That goes to 2 - 7 - 2 if you strip out the 7 games where neither of us castled, so fair to say that not castling usually equates to having a mare!

Your record is 9 wins and 16 defeats, 7 - 11 if you strip out the first 7 games before you started doing it.

I've castled king side 44 times and you've done it 43. My record is 25 - 15 with 4 draws and yours is 19 - 19 with 5.

Queen side it's 20 times for me and 14 for you. My record is 10 - 9 and a draw while yours is 6 - 6 with 2 draws.

Having posted all that I think I need to double check the stats as it seems I've not castled in 7 of the last 20 games which looks a bit odd. Should be right but I'll check.

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Re: Chess Chat

Post by kenbo » Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:57 pm

After reading that it makes me think that losing a bishop early to prevent castling might be a good move. More so if a bishop is being threatened, instead of retreating back down the board, go for their pawn so that the king has to take it.

I might try it a bit more after this series is over.

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Re: Chess Chat

Post by harry_rag » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:00 pm

harry_rag wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:50 pm
Having posted all that I think I need to double check the stats as it seems I've not castled in 7 of the last 20 games which looks a bit odd. Should be right but I'll check.
:thumbs Yes it's right. Before the back to back drawn games you reeled off 3 straight wins where I didn't castle. The other 4 were 2 wins for me, 1 for you and the stalemate due to repetition.

In that time you only didn't castle in 3 games, winning 1 and losing 2.

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Re: Chess Chat

Post by kenbo » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:07 pm

One of those games was ur fat finger error. Another was a 39 move game so I presume you had a mate in that, and the other game was where I voluntarily sacrificed my bishop (which wasn’t under threat).

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Re: Chess Chat

Post by harry_rag » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:08 pm

kenbo wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:57 pm
After reading that it makes me think that losing a bishop early to prevent castling might be a good move. More so if a bishop is being threatened, instead of retreating back down the board, go for their pawn so that the king has to take it.

I might try it a bit more after this series is over.
Not surprised you’d think along those lines as I know you like using that move sometimes. Personally I think you’d win less than 50% of games if you did it every time. I’m intrigued enough to take a closer look but, based on whizzing through just now to check the stats, I think it’s more a matter of me getting into a bad position and not being able to get round to castling rather than you forcing it in a specific way.

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Re: Chess Chat

Post by kenbo » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:09 pm

I remember waiting for you to castle in one of those games. I was intending to go the opposite way afterwards but never got the chance, and lost easily, I think.

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Re: Chess Chat

Post by kenbo » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:15 pm

If you’ve lost ten out of eighteen games where you didn’t castle, I’d be very interested to see how many of those losses came from me pushing for it.

I still don’t think swapping a bishop for a pawn while preventing castling will have that much affect on the result, when two players are evenly matched. What you’re down in pieces, you’re up on position.

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Post by harry_rag » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:23 pm

One thing I’d say is you tend to castle much earlier than i do. I’ll tell you the averages when I work out how to do it (I’ve entered the data as K12 for castling knight no side on the 12th move which hasn’t helped calculate averages etc.) By leaving it later I run the risk of missing the opportunity either as a result of your good play or my bad play and having to take evasive king moves.

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Re: Chess Chat

Post by kenbo » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:31 pm

I’ve noticed I’ve been castling first lately. Even when you do go before me I tend to do it a move or two later. It does show your hand a bit when you do it, and possibly gives a slight edge to your opponent.

There’s quite a few game we play where I’m pretty sure which side you’re gonna go anyway. Your pawn structure makes it clear.

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Re: Chess Chat

Post by kenbo » Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:15 am

I’m sure some of you are waiting eagerly for a score update! I did win the fifth series to make it two in a row for me, but still trailed H 3-2 overall. The sixth series is well underway and H took an early 2.5-0.5 lead, but the last seven legs have pretty much gone my way with six wins and a draw, so I’m 7-3 up and looking good to level the series.

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Re: Chess Chat

Post by kenbo » Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:54 am



Check that out, H. I don’t think we will ever be up to that standard!

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Re: Chess Chat

Post by harry_rag » Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:52 pm

:thumbs Getting there slowly! {8

Quick stats blast as we stand level on series, games won and points after 8 series and 141 games.

My record as white is won 33 lost 28 and 7 drawn while yours is won 35 lost 30 and drawn 8.

Using your previously favoured E4 start you're won 30 lost 25 and drawn 8. You're 5-5 over the 10 games using other opening moves.

I've used 8 different opening moves to your 4 and the 2 that stand out as the strongest are those I've been tending to use of late, C4 and G3. I'm 12-5 (2 draws) with C4 and 7-3 (2 draws) so that's 19-8 (4) in total. I'll have a quick look at openings for black if I get chance.

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Re: Chess Chat

Post by kenbo » Tue Sep 29, 2020 11:52 am

Only just seen this. I’m surprised my old opening serves me better than my new one. I think I will continue with this one for now.

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Re: Chess Chat

Post by harry_rag » Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:11 pm

You tried a few others early on. You're 2-1 as white since using E3 as your opening and 3-0 and a draw using E6 as black recently. SO I guess I know what to expect for the time being! :)

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Re: Chess Chat

Post by kenbo » Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:57 pm

I hate it when you quote the grid reference, I have to get a board up and see where about it is. I much prefer ‘king pawn twice’ or similar!

Will have to look them up now!

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Re: Chess Chat

Post by harry_rag » Tue Sep 29, 2020 4:25 pm

I tried it your way but unfortunately it messes the spreadsheet up! ;-)

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Re: Chess Chat

Post by kenbo » Tue Sep 29, 2020 6:09 pm

You and your spreadsheets! :)

Put it in layman’s terms when you post it on here then!

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Re: Chess Chat

Post by harry_rag » Tue Sep 29, 2020 6:19 pm

i agree to an extent with opening king and queen pawn moves but, without looking at a board, i find it easier to think of C4 rather than "move the queen's bishop pawn 2 squares" or G3 rather than "king's knight pawn 1 square". I have to visualise where all the pieces are that way!

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Re: Chess Chat

Post by harry_rag » Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:02 pm

Bit harder to draw conclusions from the stats for first move as black (depends on what white opened with) but here's the standouts.

Opening with E5 (King's pawn 2 squares) seems a bad idea. Your record doing it is won 8, lost 17 and 2 draws while mine (after today) is won 4 lost 7. That's a combined score of 12-24 (2)!

Neither of us use a knight move very often but we've both got positive records when we do, you're 8-4 (2) and I'm 5-4 (2). My best response is E6 (King's pawn 1 square) which is 11-3 (2).

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Re: Chess Chat

Post by kenbo » Wed Sep 30, 2020 6:33 am

I can just about work out the grid reference for white colours. When it’s black it just frazzles my brain.

I’d imagine whenever I’ve moved my knight first, my second move would’ve been my usual first move. Therefore after two moves, my pieces would still be in the same position as usual. It has got to be a coincidence that I’ve got a good strike rate opening with it.

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Re: Chess Chat

Post by kenbo » Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:42 am

I’d be interested to know one stat (purely because of yesterday’s game). How many times a player has lost his queen first and gone on to win. I’d guess 95% of the time they are swapped so there’s probably only half a dozen games to go on. I’m gonna plump for just one game each.

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Re: Chess Chat

Post by kenbo » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:46 am

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