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Post by kenbo » Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:40 pm

I’d hope future games are 10-8 or 10-9. I kind of feel they are where we are at in terms of ability against each other.

Early on you were 1/2 in terms of odds for winning each game. It’s probably 10/11 each of us now.

You have me on my back foot fairly early in most games. For some reason you’re not quite seeing them all out.

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Post by harry_rag » Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:18 pm

After a couple of wins by me to put a slightly more respectable gloss on the scoreline, Kenbo lands the victory he needed to deservedly clinch the series 10 - 6.

I don’t think that score flatters him based on our respective performance over those 16 games but I’d like to think it’s not an indication of the future. Hopefully his assessment that every game is close to a coin toss is nearer the mark!

Let’s see what the next series brings (hopefully less silly errors on my part).

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Post by harry_rag » Mon Jul 06, 2020 7:13 pm

As the next series gets underway I was sharing my new, more patient, philosophy with Kenbo, as encompassed in a corny joke that this song takes a long time to tell!


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Post by harry_rag » Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:56 pm

Quick stat blitz as I've just brought the spreadsheet up to date (yes, I record our results in a spreadsheet, what of it)! :)

We're currently part way through the 5th series (1st to win 10 games). The current score in terms of series is 3-1 to me. I won the 1st 3 10.5-5.5, 10-7 and 10.5-7.5 with Kenbo taking the last one 10-6. I'm leading the current series 5.5-3.5 but am fortunate to be doing so, with Kenners very much the form horse (or should that be form knight).

My record as white is 19 wins, 3 draws and 14 defeats and as black it's 21 wins, 2 draws and 17 defeats giving an overall record of 40 wins for me, 5 draws and 31 wins for Kenbo.

In terms of opening move, Kenbo is very much an E4 (or pawn to king 4) man, having played that opening 33 times, winning 14 of them, drawing 2 and losing 17. He's played knight to F3 6 times with 3 wins each and D4 once, winning.

I like to mix things up a bit more, having played 6 different opening moves. I've played knight to F3 11 times winning 4, drawing 1 and losing 6. I've played D4 8 times with a 5-1-2 record, G3 7 times (6-1), C4 5 times (2-1-2), E4 4 times (1-3) and B3 once (1-0).

Average length of game is 78.5 moves. It's been around that mark in every series except the 2nd one where it shot up to 84.5 for some reason! It's slightly lower when I play white than when Kenbo does (76.4 v 80.4)

On average, games won by me last for 74.7 moves (68.1 as white and 78.9 as black). For Kenbo the numbers are 85.1 overall (86.6 as white and 83.9 as black).

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Post by kenbo » Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:35 pm

I’ve got a 100% winning average on D4 then. I’m retiring that move (will have to check where D4 is first)! *, just checked, it’s queen pawn forward two squares, it must’ve been an error on my behalf! :lol

Some good stats there, although you are showing us what a nerd you are! I’m trying to make chess a bit more manly, you aren’t helping the cause! :lol

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Post by harry_rag » Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:37 pm

:lol Yes I get a sense of your deep masculinity every time we play!

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Post by kenbo » Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:44 pm

It’s a hard game to show ur masculinity, especially when there’s a couple of queens on the board!

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Post by harry_rag » Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:48 pm

And bandying about French terms like en passant!

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Post by harry_rag » Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:49 pm

Current series (race to 10) score is 8.5 - 7.5 to Kenbo so still all to play for though he's favourite to take his second consecutive series.

Been mining some more stats, relating to opening moves for black and if/when we've castled.

I've made 7 different opening moves as black and only have a positive record with 2 of them (though sample size is obviously small).

Playing Knight to F6 (moving the King's Knight) has resulted in 4 wins, 2 defeats and 2 draws. I've played pawn to E6 (advancing the King's pawn 1 square) 5 times and won every game. I've not played it for over 40 games but might have to revisit it, though I can't see why it should be a particularly good move.

Kenbo has used 8 openings as black and also only has 2 with a positive record. C6 (moving Queen's Bishop pawn 1 square) saw a victory for him the only time it was used while his record with Knight to C6 (moving the Queen's Knight) is 3 wins, 2 defeats and a draw.

The worst moves for both of us are D5 and E5 (moving Queen or King pawn 2 squares). I'm 4-7 and a draw with the former and 2-4 with the latter and Kenbo is 5-8 with 2 draws and 4-7. It certainly looks like plonking a pawn in the middle of the board as black favours your opponent!

I'll let you digest those fascinating nuggets before I post about castling!

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Post by kenbo » Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:36 pm

I’ve read it. Will have to read it again to take it in. Let’s see the castling stats.

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Post by harry_rag » Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:50 pm

kenbo wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:36 pm
I’ve read it. Will have to read it again to take it in. Let’s see the castling stats.
:thumbs Bit easier to digest than the opening moves.

Not castling has a poor record, which won't be much of a surprise. In 18 games where I didn't do it my record is 6 wins, 10 defeats and 2 draws. That goes to 2 - 7 - 2 if you strip out the 7 games where neither of us castled, so fair to say that not castling usually equates to having a mare!

Your record is 9 wins and 16 defeats, 7 - 11 if you strip out the first 7 games before you started doing it.

I've castled king side 44 times and you've done it 43. My record is 25 - 15 with 4 draws and yours is 19 - 19 with 5.

Queen side it's 20 times for me and 14 for you. My record is 10 - 9 and a draw while yours is 6 - 6 with 2 draws.

Having posted all that I think I need to double check the stats as it seems I've not castled in 7 of the last 20 games which looks a bit odd. Should be right but I'll check.

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Post by kenbo » Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:57 pm

After reading that it makes me think that losing a bishop early to prevent castling might be a good move. More so if a bishop is being threatened, instead of retreating back down the board, go for their pawn so that the king has to take it.

I might try it a bit more after this series is over.

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Re: Chess Chat

Post by harry_rag » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:00 pm

harry_rag wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:50 pm
Having posted all that I think I need to double check the stats as it seems I've not castled in 7 of the last 20 games which looks a bit odd. Should be right but I'll check.
:thumbs Yes it's right. Before the back to back drawn games you reeled off 3 straight wins where I didn't castle. The other 4 were 2 wins for me, 1 for you and the stalemate due to repetition.

In that time you only didn't castle in 3 games, winning 1 and losing 2.

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Post by kenbo » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:07 pm

One of those games was ur fat finger error. Another was a 39 move game so I presume you had a mate in that, and the other game was where I voluntarily sacrificed my bishop (which wasn’t under threat).

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Re: Chess Chat

Post by harry_rag » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:08 pm

kenbo wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:57 pm
After reading that it makes me think that losing a bishop early to prevent castling might be a good move. More so if a bishop is being threatened, instead of retreating back down the board, go for their pawn so that the king has to take it.

I might try it a bit more after this series is over.
Not surprised you’d think along those lines as I know you like using that move sometimes. Personally I think you’d win less than 50% of games if you did it every time. I’m intrigued enough to take a closer look but, based on whizzing through just now to check the stats, I think it’s more a matter of me getting into a bad position and not being able to get round to castling rather than you forcing it in a specific way.

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Re: Chess Chat

Post by kenbo » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:09 pm

I remember waiting for you to castle in one of those games. I was intending to go the opposite way afterwards but never got the chance, and lost easily, I think.

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Post by kenbo » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:15 pm

If you’ve lost ten out of eighteen games where you didn’t castle, I’d be very interested to see how many of those losses came from me pushing for it.

I still don’t think swapping a bishop for a pawn while preventing castling will have that much affect on the result, when two players are evenly matched. What you’re down in pieces, you’re up on position.

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Post by harry_rag » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:23 pm

One thing I’d say is you tend to castle much earlier than i do. I’ll tell you the averages when I work out how to do it (I’ve entered the data as K12 for castling knight no side on the 12th move which hasn’t helped calculate averages etc.) By leaving it later I run the risk of missing the opportunity either as a result of your good play or my bad play and having to take evasive king moves.

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Post by kenbo » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:31 pm

I’ve noticed I’ve been castling first lately. Even when you do go before me I tend to do it a move or two later. It does show your hand a bit when you do it, and possibly gives a slight edge to your opponent.

There’s quite a few game we play where I’m pretty sure which side you’re gonna go anyway. Your pawn structure makes it clear.

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Re: Chess Chat

Post by kenbo » Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:15 am

I’m sure some of you are waiting eagerly for a score update! I did win the fifth series to make it two in a row for me, but still trailed H 3-2 overall. The sixth series is well underway and H took an early 2.5-0.5 lead, but the last seven legs have pretty much gone my way with six wins and a draw, so I’m 7-3 up and looking good to level the series.

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Re: Chess Chat

Post by kenbo » Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:54 am



Check that out, H. I don’t think we will ever be up to that standard!

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Re: Chess Chat

Post by harry_rag » Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:52 pm

:thumbs Getting there slowly! {8

Quick stats blast as we stand level on series, games won and points after 8 series and 141 games.

My record as white is won 33 lost 28 and 7 drawn while yours is won 35 lost 30 and drawn 8.

Using your previously favoured E4 start you're won 30 lost 25 and drawn 8. You're 5-5 over the 10 games using other opening moves.

I've used 8 different opening moves to your 4 and the 2 that stand out as the strongest are those I've been tending to use of late, C4 and G3. I'm 12-5 (2 draws) with C4 and 7-3 (2 draws) so that's 19-8 (4) in total. I'll have a quick look at openings for black if I get chance.

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Re: Chess Chat

Post by kenbo » Tue Sep 29, 2020 11:52 am

Only just seen this. I’m surprised my old opening serves me better than my new one. I think I will continue with this one for now.

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Re: Chess Chat

Post by harry_rag » Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:11 pm

You tried a few others early on. You're 2-1 as white since using E3 as your opening and 3-0 and a draw using E6 as black recently. SO I guess I know what to expect for the time being! :)

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