Potential Greyhound syndicate

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Hoofhearted
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Potential Greyhound syndicate

Post by Hoofhearted » Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:05 pm

Good evening all

This is pretty much a testing the water message to see if there is any appetite on here to form a syndicate and purchase a greyhound.
I will summarise things best I can below, however If anyone has any questions or thoughts please post this on this thread or alternatively send me a PM if you would prefer it to remain private and I will totally respect this.

By way of background, there has been a good greyhound related craic of late on the forum WhatsApp group, which after messaging a fellow member has prompted me to consider this option , obviously there will need to be some fine tuning, but that will depend on the numbers involved and the amount that members are prepared to pay.

By way of a brief overview the initial thoughts are for many positive reasons the dog will run at Sheffield
Given that everyone is located throughout the country, it will be unlikely that we all meet up very often, but if we did Sheffield is pretty central, and the track is very progressive , apart from the bars it also has a good restaurant, executive boxes, and an adjoining casino.

But more importantly almost all their races are covered on the BAGS service i.e. in the bookies/ phone, or on RPGTV which will ensure that we can watch the race.
As you may be aware OiOiboy who is the dogs guru on this site, has many of his at Sheffield - so he will be able to give us his insight on the respective chances based on form, the opposition and draw.

Similarly I am closely attached to a kennel at Sheffield (where the dog will be placed) - although I'm more involved in the Admin side, I have got a kennel licence so I do occasionally take dogs to the track etc, but I'm down at the kennel every Sunday for walking them, so I can easily provide updates, photos etc.

Sheffield do run over 280, 480 500 and 660m distances including handicaps so the dog should find a distance to suit.

It is likely that the dog will be purchased from Ireland having run a couple of times over there. We do as a kennel have contacts over there but moreover we also know who not to deal with!.
Another option would be to purchase a dog from another kennel , this wouldn't be ruled out especially given the closure of Peterborough and uncertainties of Poole - dogs will no doubt be available but I'm not convinced they will all be suited to Sheffield as these tracks run at a shorter distance.

Joining the syndicate would involve an initial commitment to purchase the dog and then going forward equal shares of the monthly kennel bill.
The latter would not be excessive - Its £8 a day basic, plus the occasional additional expense when required - e.g. inoculations, worming, Vets etc required. However unlike horse racing, as owners we get run money of £35 a race and generally a win , give or take a tenner depending on the grade is £100. Therefore if the dog runs weekly, it is unlikely to be much of a bill, often nothing.

If a syndicate is formed, I would draw up something formal as an agreement - that's not being officious but it will prevent any arguments.
I will be honest, in most syndicates I've been involved in, they are with friends so there is no requirement for anything formal, however I did arrange a syndicate of 10 for 3 dogs that we bought at auction ( we agreed to do this rather than fight and outbid each other ;x; ) and we received an offer to sell the dog - there was nothing formal and it was pretty 50/50 so it did cause unnecessary friction. I will also provide "accounts". So I effectively said if I was to be involved with more than 4 people I'd want things laid out.

So basically is there any interest and if so how much are you willing to pay upfront towards the purchase.

Ideally Id like us to buy one for around £2000 +ish to hopefully ensure its reasonably competitive but depending on interest and/or how much people are willing to pay this can be reduced.

For example I have just organised a syndicate of 4 and this dog is arriving at the end of the week from Ireland - I've got it for £1100 plus transportation ( there will also be formal registration fees too) - obviously this won't win the Derby but it looks keen and should win us a few races when it is in the right grade.

Finally my preference would be for a dog rather than a bitch, and one that runs the standard 500m trip rather than a sprinter.

I will set the ball rolling - for personal reasons I will explain later ( Mrs Hoof related :( ) I will say £200 /£250 max for me

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Re: Potential Greyhound syndicate

Post by Cripsy1 » Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:36 pm

Happy to be involved , cost not an concern , would enjoy the crack , prefer to pay more upfront rather than every month . But can do either . 👍👍

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Re: Potential Greyhound syndicate

Post by oioiboy » Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:40 pm

I'm in mate, Think this will be a great bit of fun. Also all trials are being streamed online now at Sheffield so all members can view how the dog has trialed. Agree on getting a dog preferably to a bitch only due to seasons which for syndicates can be a pain. Plenty of options for distances which is a big bonus but I would say if we can get something with early pace that would be a bonus because then could be tried/run over either trip
I'm more than happy to offer my opinion on the races we are involved in and maybe the odd one we aren't :thumbs :lol
More members we have the less it will cost everyone individually and we could try and organise a forum night at track. The new boxes there look very good indeed and are very affordable.

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Re: Potential Greyhound syndicate

Post by kenbo » Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:39 pm

It’s not something I’d be very interested in to be honest. Good luck with it though. :thumbs

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Re: Potential Greyhound syndicate

Post by gazza2008 » Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:49 pm

Am a bit of noobie to this lol

I take it cost £200-£250 to Join the Syndicate.

Would that be a Monthly cost or a one off cost.

DO we pay the other costs on top,

Sorry for the Dumb questions lol

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Re: Potential Greyhound syndicate

Post by Janthefish » Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:53 pm

Like most been badly hit financially lately but I'm in. I have no objections to bitches, when I started flapping , our trainer (who'd worked as a kennel lad for years) had retired and only trained about 4- although he had another 6 as pets, always sensed when the bitches were ready to do their best, he was rarely wrong.

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Re: Potential Greyhound syndicate

Post by oioiboy » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:25 pm

I will tell you what, it's a small world. So I've been chatting with Stan about the possible syndicate and we was talking about old dogs we've each had and then Stan says about a dog and I was like hold on you are that Stan 😲 I've only just realised we already know each other from owning a few dogs together in a syndicate over 12 years ago 😲😂 Small world but brilliant to realise we've still been intouch without knowing it

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Re: Potential Greyhound syndicate

Post by oioiboy » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:27 pm

gazza2008 wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:49 pm
Am a bit of noobie to this lol

I take it cost £200-£250 to Join the Syndicate.

Would that be a Monthly cost or a one off cost.

DO we pay the other costs on top,

Sorry for the Dumb questions lol
One off payment Gazza then it's just kennel bill divided between members which is 8 quid a day but we get run money everytime we race and win money when we win (not if :lol )

Stan will explain better

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Re: Potential Greyhound syndicate

Post by Col » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:34 pm

oioiboy wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:25 pm
I will tell you what, it's a small world. So I've been chatting with Stan about the possible syndicate and we was talking about old dogs we've each had and then Stan says about a dog and I was like hold on you are that Stan 😲 I've only just realised we already know each other from owning a few dogs together in a syndicate over 12 years ago 😲😂 Small world but brilliant to realise we've still been intouch without knowing it
:) Amazing

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Re: Potential Greyhound syndicate

Post by Hoofhearted » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:40 am

Many thanks for the interest so far

Let’s give a week or so and see what the final interest is

As Oioiboy explained the monthly bill won’t be much at all between a group of us - providing they are fit they almost pay for their keep with run money/ winnings.
That’s something for another day once we’ve got final numbers - it may be administratively easier after the first month ( which will be more expensive as it will need to trial 2/3 times and the usual registration fees without any prize money) to just pay say £10 a month to build up a float - the said the trainer will be fair and we will only pay £6 a day rather than £8 until it’s running.

I am conscious that we are all located apart so I would prefer us to keep the initial outlay to a minimum as many wont get the usual ownership benefits of going to the kennel on Sundays walking them and regular weekly trips to the track etc
However given a fair wind, we should be racing every week and it can be viewed , together plenty of updates and banter, and hopefully everyone will feel part of it.

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Re: Potential Greyhound syndicate

Post by gazza2008 » Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:38 am

Put my Name in the hat if u need

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Re: Potential Greyhound syndicate

Post by KipperRSA » Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:45 pm

I know nothing about dogs but sounds interesting and happy to be involved :thumbs

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Re: Potential Greyhound syndicate

Post by Hoofhearted » Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:49 pm

Many thanks for your comments so far, let’s leave this thread open for another week to enable everyone to see and consider it.

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Re: Potential Greyhound syndicate

Post by Activefly » Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:58 pm

I’m in please, having had 2 retired greyhounds as pets, always wanted a leg or some kind of go at having one in racing, and with your lads knowledge and know how it’s a great opportunity and with living in Lincoln am only an hour away from Sheffield! Thanks Dean

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Re: Potential Greyhound syndicate

Post by gazza2008 » Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:59 pm

Hello Guys

Any update or developments on this

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Re: Potential Greyhound syndicate

Post by oioiboy » Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:12 pm

Hi mate, think Stan is going to update within the next few days :thumbs

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Re: Potential Greyhound syndicate

Post by mrbluejay » Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:34 pm

I know feck all about dogs, but I’d like to get involved :thumbs

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Re: Potential Greyhound syndicate

Post by Hoofhearted » Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:36 pm

Thanks for your responses so far

I will put something up over the weekend - just give it another day or so in case theres any more interest.

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Re: Potential Greyhound syndicate

Post by Hoofhearted » Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:43 pm

Activefly wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:58 pm
I’m in please, having had 2 retired greyhounds as pets, always wanted a leg or some kind of go at having one in racing, and with your lads knowledge and know how it’s a great opportunity and with living in Lincoln am only an hour away from Sheffield! Thanks Dean
Thats great news, it is awkward with us all living all over the place but we've chosen Sheffield with its central location, and the fact that it is one of the best covered on RPGTV and on line.
throw in the fact the Sheffield is one of the tracks OiOiboy particularly focuses on is another advantage.

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Re: Potential Greyhound syndicate

Post by fredward999 » Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:58 pm

I would love to be included please. I’ve always wanted to own part of a dog and learn more about racing. Sounds brilliant.

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Re: Potential Greyhound syndicate

Post by Hoofhearted » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:31 am

fredward999 wrote:
Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:58 pm
I would love to be included please. I’ve always wanted to own part of a dog and learn more about racing. Sounds brilliant.
Thats great many thanks for your interest

I will be putting something up tonight/tomorrow with a suggested way forward :thumbs

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Re: Potential Greyhound syndicate

Post by Hoofhearted » Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:37 am

Firstly, a big thank you to everyone who has expressed an interest in joining our potential syndicate.

I apologise for the length of this post, however hopefully this will answer most points and enable us to take this forward.

Although we want to make this as democratic as possible, having spoken with Shaun ( Oioiboy) we both agree that we need to take this forward with some basic initial estimated costs and a proposal of how we should proceed.

We want to make the syndicate as affordable as possible, but until final syndicate numbers are confirmed it is difficult for us to price it up for definite or go about purchasing a greyhound.

Therefore we propose to set a budget of buying a dog with a price limit of the region £1500. This could either be an unraced dog, or one having had a few runs in Ireland, which in all probability will be obtained from a breeder who has supplied dogs to the kennel which I’m connected to for many years which will ensure we get “looked after”.

Alternatively we could buy an older dog that is presently running at another track subject to it being suited to Sheffield ( the standard trip is 500m)
Due to the closure of Peterborough and temporary suspension ( probably permanent closure) of Poole and Belle Vue this could be a potential option as we expect a number of dogs will be put up for sale. The Belle Vue dogs will probably suit us better.

The problem we face is that dogs get snapped up quickly. We actually spotted a dog today that we both thought would be an ideal purchase - it was £1500, but I was not able to negotiate a discount😂 and it’s now actually presently off the market for a genuine reason.

Anyway we suggest that we pay £200 each to cover the initial purchase - obviously the quality of the dog will depend on numbers eg 5 join £1000 8 £1600 etc. If we don’t spend the budget this can go in the kitty for monthly kennel bills and initial standard expense e.g. transportation registration and it may be a buffer until the dog is qualified to race.

I will ensure complete transparency and provide monthly summaries ( I actually do the kennels bills anyway 😂)

The Kennel bill is £8 a day offset by any winnings paid monthly
A win generally is around £100 also rans receive £35.
Again it depends on how many are in the syndicate- realistically providing not injured we should not expect the monthly bill to be much over £100 between us - so if 10 are involved a tenner a month - 30p a day!

Oioiboy will confirm that the kennel we are placing the dog is ideal - few owners, no gamblers, run straight, and if anything we should get a decent price when the race make up is right.

I will provide bank details in due course once we have sufficient interest to make it viable.

Please put up any questions you have on this thread or PM either myself or Oioiboy- however we now require confirmation of numbers based on the above, and hopefully we can move in the coming week or two.

I suppose I ought to give some form of assurance- I appreciate Its awkward being on an anonymous forum sending cash to someone you don’t really know, but I’m definitely not going to do a runner with the cash! I’m known at the track and involved with the owners association, so the last thing I’d do is stitch anyone up.

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Re: Potential Greyhound syndicate

Post by Janthefish » Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:06 am

Count me in.

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Re: Potential Greyhound syndicate

Post by Activefly » Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:25 am

Hi Stan, thanks for the post, it all reads fine to me, I’m well up for it, I agree with putting in a bit extra for the fees, etc with the first payment, you and Shaun obviously know the game which fills me with great confidence! Looking forward to having a bit of fun with this venture, and with only being an hour away and COVID permitting would like to get over to see the dog run and hopefully meet up! Thanks for the opportunity. From Dean parker (active fly)

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Post by fredward999 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:32 am

I'm in, sounds like you are super organised Hoof which means I don't have any hesitation in getting involved. Just let me know where / when you would like the first payment made.

Thanks
Fred

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Re: Potential Greyhound syndicate

Post by Cripsy1 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:37 pm

Im in , happy with the cost , doubt i will get to see it but the winnings over lock down more than paid for it 👍👍

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Re: Potential Greyhound syndicate

Post by jarv » Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:11 pm

Forgotten log in details, conquered.

Keep me posted ^/

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Re: Potential Greyhound syndicate

Post by gazza2008 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:22 pm

Count me in.

I did also reply in whats app.

Gaz

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Re: Potential Greyhound syndicate

Post by Hoofhearted » Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:29 am

Many thanks for your comments so far - it’s looking promising and it should be a good craic and after the initial purchase should be a very cheap interest

I will give it until tomorrow night and then send details out.

I’m aware not everyone is on the WhatsApp group - to be honest there hasn’t been too many questions that haven’t been covered.

These were the points discussed

To clarify the monthly bill - apart from the daily rate which hopefully will be largely offset by win and run money ( unlike horses there’s no races entry fee and we effectively get paid to run - around £35) there will be few other expenses

We don’t get charged transportation to the track, there will just be the occasional extra - worming, inoculation and if need be vets / thankfully most racing injuries are muscle related and are cured by rest.

For avoidance of doubt unless we are extremely fortunate ( and realistically given what we are paying unlikely- the dog will run solely at Sheffield.
The racing manager effectively dictates what grade we run in and what day raced- we go up and down grades depending on performance.

I will ensure total transparency Money wise and provide updates - we should know a couple of days before when the dog runs.

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Re: Potential Greyhound syndicate

Post by Hoofhearted » Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:35 am

Activefly wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:25 am
Hi Stan, thanks for the post, it all reads fine to me, I’m well up for it, I agree with putting in a bit extra for the fees, etc with the first payment, you and Shaun obviously know the game which fills me with great confidence! Looking forward to having a bit of fun with this venture, and with only being an hour away and COVID permitting would like to get over to see the dog run and hopefully meet up! Thanks for the opportunity. From Dean parker (active fly)
Yes hopefully we can meet up- be it at the track , alternatively we take the dogs out for a walk on Sunday mornings.
The kennels are near j31 of the M1 a couple of miles off the A57

As tracks go ( once the virus is over) it’s one of the better ones to include a good And inexpensive restaurant if bringing the Mrs.
Otherwise stay in the bar!

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Re: Potential Greyhound syndicate

Post by Hoofhearted » Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:43 am

I know it may be difficult for us to meet up being all over the country but it may be possible at some point

Could have a double header with Doncaster races😂

As to the stadium where the dog will run - I know Shaun has been in a previous life , here is the website - I think this link is the restaurant but there are other views on the venue part of the website

https://www.owlertonstadium.co.uk/restaurant/

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Re: Potential Greyhound syndicate

Post by Activefly » Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:05 am

Hi Stan, thanks for the reply, my mate who I go racing with wants to be involved if it’s not to late? He lives in Grantham and loves his dog racing! He loves his ante post betting on the greyhound derby ! Thanks again

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Re: Potential Greyhound syndicate

Post by Hoofhearted » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:27 am

I haven’t a problem at all - may be useful to get him signed up on here too if membership is still open.

I will put something up tonight - payment details etc that should have given everyone a chance to commit.

For avoidance of doubt late joiners will be allowed before the dog runs as it will only reduce the costs for everyone going forward, but we need to draw a line and know how much money we’ve got to go shopping with.

Looking at where your mate lives do you attend Southwell- if so we’ve probably bumped into each other without knowing- that said given the usual attendances at Southwell it’s pretty hard to bump into someone ;-)

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Re: Potential Greyhound syndicate

Post by Col » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:30 am

Activefly wrote:
Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:05 am
Hi Stan, thanks for the reply, my mate who I go racing with wants to be involved if it’s not to late? He lives in Grantham and loves his dog racing! He loves his ante post betting on the greyhound derby ! Thanks again
I agree with Stan
He would be better to open an account on here for communication purposes.
The board is open, and costs nothing to open an account.

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